What is the rules based order anyway? According to our guest, Bob Borosage of the Campaign for America’s Future argues it’s a lie; the truth is it’s about the rule of American capital over productivity, never mind our European allies. In the name of national security, the rules based order dramatically increases insecurity on real issues; like worldwide infrastructure, the climate crisis, housing, jobs, etc. The rules based order has been in place since the end of WWII and now with Trump unilaterally blasting through it with overwhelming, often arbitrary violence, this is an opportunity to restructure and refocus on building real international security.